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		<title>By: YoungMoney</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2007/11/sorayama-michael-jackson-and-50-foot-robots/comment-page-1/#comment-15050</link>
		<dc:creator>YoungMoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 04:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THESE PICTURES ARE SOOOO &#039;HISTORY TOUR&#039;/</description>
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		<title>By: Dysphem</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2007/11/sorayama-michael-jackson-and-50-foot-robots/comment-page-1/#comment-1487</link>
		<dc:creator>Dysphem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meh.  It&#039;s just a theory I have.</description>
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		<title>By: Nadya</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2007/11/sorayama-michael-jackson-and-50-foot-robots/comment-page-1/#comment-1429</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Responding quickly at the airport before boarding! Dysphem, I feel that you put too much value on &quot;talent.&quot; It&#039;s a skill, just like any other, and people should be free to do what they want with it: buy it, sell it, trade it, anonymously put it into a collective cause, and or give it away for free. I enjoy supporting the artists I love by buying their product, but I don&#039;t expect them to meet my demands. Art should be free, but then again, as they say, everything should be free. Until that happens, we have capitalism. :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding quickly at the airport before boarding! Dysphem, I feel that you put too much value on &#8220;talent.&#8221; It&#8217;s a skill, just like any other, and people should be free to do what they want with it: buy it, sell it, trade it, anonymously put it into a collective cause, and or give it away for free. I enjoy supporting the artists I love by buying their product, but I don&#8217;t expect them to meet my demands. Art should be free, but then again, as they say, everything should be free. Until that happens, we have capitalism. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Dysphem</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2007/11/sorayama-michael-jackson-and-50-foot-robots/comment-page-1/#comment-1375</link>
		<dc:creator>Dysphem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.  Hope you enjoy the essay.  :P</description>
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		<title>By: Dysphem</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2007/11/sorayama-michael-jackson-and-50-foot-robots/comment-page-1/#comment-1374</link>
		<dc:creator>Dysphem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really talking about when both consumers and entertainment producers act like their money enables them to place demands on the artists.  To me, this way of thinking is totally perverse, since sometimes people have money for really absurd reasons, but people never have talent for absurd reasons.  People who have talent have it because they&#039;ve taken years out of their life to develop it themselves.  Even if they&#039;ve only done it for the money, it&#039;s still not so much an absurd reason to have talent, but totally one of the most absurd reasons to have money I can think of.  Mainly because there are way easier ways to make money.  But back to my original point, we have the fact that talent is attractive to the people who don&#039;t have it, perhaps even more attractive than money.  That puts the people who do have it in a unique position to demand just about anything in exchange for that talent.  Can you see where I&#039;m going with this?

In short, I think that our media culture would be radically different if artists were less than cooperative in situations where people offer them money in exchange for their work.  Or even better:  what if the media actually respected artists and their work?  I think that media consumers are probably just as guilty as media producers in this.  Mainly because it&#039;s the producers who listen to the consumers, and try to give them what will sell, just as consumers look at what&#039;s being produced, and derive their opinions about what they want based on what&#039;s in front of them, rather than thinking outside of the box and creating it for themselves.  People have a lust for the artistic.  This turns artists into prostitutes.  Therefore, distributors are pimps, and everyone else has their dick in their hand.  Metaphorically speaking.  However, whereas an honest prostitute will say that the only thing that really matters to her in this world is money, I think that most artists generally place very little value on money, and this is where the system short-changes them the most.  Venereal diseases aside, prostitutes have it pretty good compared to artists.  Even successful artists.  Wouldn&#039;t it be totally weird if the industry revolved around giving artists what they wanted, rather than consumers?

In Jack-o&#039;s case, you think he might actually make enough money to buy whatever he wants, but then again, maybe he wants things that can&#039;t be bought.  I also think he&#039;s become more of a mogul, or even an icon, than an artist, in a sense.  I don&#039;t know whether he&#039;s transcended or just descended.  Maybe all artists want is just to feel like they&#039;re worth something, even if that worth is expressed in terms of money.  The certainty, though, is that there&#039;s a whole world out there that wants to take advantage of them, and it doesn&#039;t care how much money it has to pay to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really talking about when both consumers and entertainment producers act like their money enables them to place demands on the artists.  To me, this way of thinking is totally perverse, since sometimes people have money for really absurd reasons, but people never have talent for absurd reasons.  People who have talent have it because they&#8217;ve taken years out of their life to develop it themselves.  Even if they&#8217;ve only done it for the money, it&#8217;s still not so much an absurd reason to have talent, but totally one of the most absurd reasons to have money I can think of.  Mainly because there are way easier ways to make money.  But back to my original point, we have the fact that talent is attractive to the people who don&#8217;t have it, perhaps even more attractive than money.  That puts the people who do have it in a unique position to demand just about anything in exchange for that talent.  Can you see where I&#8217;m going with this?</p>
<p>In short, I think that our media culture would be radically different if artists were less than cooperative in situations where people offer them money in exchange for their work.  Or even better:  what if the media actually respected artists and their work?  I think that media consumers are probably just as guilty as media producers in this.  Mainly because it&#8217;s the producers who listen to the consumers, and try to give them what will sell, just as consumers look at what&#8217;s being produced, and derive their opinions about what they want based on what&#8217;s in front of them, rather than thinking outside of the box and creating it for themselves.  People have a lust for the artistic.  This turns artists into prostitutes.  Therefore, distributors are pimps, and everyone else has their dick in their hand.  Metaphorically speaking.  However, whereas an honest prostitute will say that the only thing that really matters to her in this world is money, I think that most artists generally place very little value on money, and this is where the system short-changes them the most.  Venereal diseases aside, prostitutes have it pretty good compared to artists.  Even successful artists.  Wouldn&#8217;t it be totally weird if the industry revolved around giving artists what they wanted, rather than consumers?</p>
<p>In Jack-o&#8217;s case, you think he might actually make enough money to buy whatever he wants, but then again, maybe he wants things that can&#8217;t be bought.  I also think he&#8217;s become more of a mogul, or even an icon, than an artist, in a sense.  I don&#8217;t know whether he&#8217;s transcended or just descended.  Maybe all artists want is just to feel like they&#8217;re worth something, even if that worth is expressed in terms of money.  The certainty, though, is that there&#8217;s a whole world out there that wants to take advantage of them, and it doesn&#8217;t care how much money it has to pay to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoetica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one thing to add, really - mm, Alien Space Dildo.</description>
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		<title>By: Mer</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2007/11/sorayama-michael-jackson-and-50-foot-robots/comment-page-1/#comment-1341</link>
		<dc:creator>Mer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here here. Dysphem, please don&#039;t keep your dirty mouth shut! As long as a differing opinion is gentlemanly and well articulated, it will be cherished on CH.  

Rest assured, I feel the same way about bloated, boring pop celebs who shamelessly appropriate/buy out/benefit from the brilliance of unknown, infinitely more interesing artists.

If any of us were posting loving, NON tongue-and-cheek accolades about the multi million dollar exploits of, I dunno, Paris Hilton or Panties! With a Dickhole or  whatever, I&#039;d worry that it clashed with our mission statement. But I don&#039;t see that happening any time soon.  :)

Whacko Jacko is such an insanely extreme space dildo freakshow, how could he NOT fascinate us? Seriously, the dude is an Island of Dr Moreau-worthy example of how long term exposure to radioactive levels of celebrity combined with gobs and gobs of money can mutate a human being into something utterly alien. Like Liberace or Prince Ludwig of Bavaria, only more infinitely more warped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here here. Dysphem, please don&#8217;t keep your dirty mouth shut! As long as a differing opinion is gentlemanly and well articulated, it will be cherished on CH.  </p>
<p>Rest assured, I feel the same way about bloated, boring pop celebs who shamelessly appropriate/buy out/benefit from the brilliance of unknown, infinitely more interesing artists.</p>
<p>If any of us were posting loving, NON tongue-and-cheek accolades about the multi million dollar exploits of, I dunno, Paris Hilton or Panties! With a Dickhole or  whatever, I&#8217;d worry that it clashed with our mission statement. But I don&#8217;t see that happening any time soon.  :)</p>
<p>Whacko Jacko is such an insanely extreme space dildo freakshow, how could he NOT fascinate us? Seriously, the dude is an Island of Dr Moreau-worthy example of how long term exposure to radioactive levels of celebrity combined with gobs and gobs of money can mutate a human being into something utterly alien. Like Liberace or Prince Ludwig of Bavaria, only more infinitely more warped.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadya</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2007/11/sorayama-michael-jackson-and-50-foot-robots/comment-page-1/#comment-1338</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dysphem, you bring up a lot of really great points that I hope to address in various posts as time goes on. Although, when it comes to &quot;people who have talent doing things for people who have money,&quot; I&#039;m curious what you mean. Do you mean in the music industry, or in general? Are you talking about the relationship between artists and consumers (like if I go pay to see a show of a band I like), or the relationship between artists and the corporate-entertainment complex (like when a studio executive hires talented people to make a safe-for-consumers talentless piece-of-crap look good, as in the case of that My Chemical Romance video I linked to before)?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for playing devil&#039;s advocate here, it&#039;s always a pleasure to think about and discuss these kinds of things. I&#039;m curious to know what you think! &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dysphem, you bring up a lot of really great points that I hope to address in various posts as time goes on. Although, when it comes to &#8220;people who have talent doing things for people who have money,&#8221; I&#8217;m curious what you mean. Do you mean in the music industry, or in general? Are you talking about the relationship between artists and consumers (like if I go pay to see a show of a band I like), or the relationship between artists and the corporate-entertainment complex (like when a studio executive hires talented people to make a safe-for-consumers talentless piece-of-crap look good, as in the case of that My Chemical Romance video I linked to before)?
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<p>Thanks for playing devil&#8217;s advocate here, it&#8217;s always a pleasure to think about and discuss these kinds of things. I&#8217;m curious to know what you think! </p>
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		<title>By: Dysphem</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2007/11/sorayama-michael-jackson-and-50-foot-robots/comment-page-1/#comment-1329</link>
		<dc:creator>Dysphem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you&#039;ll all forgive me for playing devil&#039;s advocate a little bit.  I&#039;m not here because I want to start shit over something piddly, I&#039;m just the type of person who usually comes up with more critical questions to ask when ends don&#039;t seem to connect right.  And in this particular case, we have something that touches ever so slightly on one of the things that really bugs me deep down about pop culture, which is that it&#039;s all about people who have talent doing things for people who have money.  And who knows why that is, really, I mean maybe it&#039;s just that deep down in the perverted nether recesses of my mind, I think that the people who have money ought to be the ones doing things for the people who have talent.  But that&#039;s not the point, I guess.  What I really wanted to say was thank you all for considering the question at least somewhat seriously, and taking it into consideration.  But who knows, maybe I really am just a fool who ought to keep his dirty mouth shut.

P.S.  The real joke about Jack-o....  ...is he&#039;s transhuman.  Remember, kids...Jack-o is our future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you&#8217;ll all forgive me for playing devil&#8217;s advocate a little bit.  I&#8217;m not here because I want to start shit over something piddly, I&#8217;m just the type of person who usually comes up with more critical questions to ask when ends don&#8217;t seem to connect right.  And in this particular case, we have something that touches ever so slightly on one of the things that really bugs me deep down about pop culture, which is that it&#8217;s all about people who have talent doing things for people who have money.  And who knows why that is, really, I mean maybe it&#8217;s just that deep down in the perverted nether recesses of my mind, I think that the people who have money ought to be the ones doing things for the people who have talent.  But that&#8217;s not the point, I guess.  What I really wanted to say was thank you all for considering the question at least somewhat seriously, and taking it into consideration.  But who knows, maybe I really am just a fool who ought to keep his dirty mouth shut.</p>
<p>P.S.  The real joke about Jack-o&#8230;.  &#8230;is he&#8217;s transhuman.  Remember, kids&#8230;Jack-o is our future.</p>
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		<title>By: Mer</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2007/11/sorayama-michael-jackson-and-50-foot-robots/comment-page-1/#comment-1301</link>
		<dc:creator>Mer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dysphem, I do understand your distaste. And it&#039;s great that you&#039;ve brought up Mark Paline and SRL. (Despite all the coverage they get elsewhere, I&#039;ve been meaning to throw some accolades their way, and at the &lt;a href=http://madagascarinstitute.com/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Madagascar Institute&lt;/a&gt; in Brooklyn as well.)

I&#039;d like to think that Coilhouse balances out its more pop/mainstream posts with attention to &lt;a href=http://coilhouse.net/2007/11/19/the-engine-theater-and-its-kinetic-wonder-screen rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;somewhat&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=http://coilhouse.net/2007/11/13/leaving-a-trail-the-fetish-art-of-franz-von-bayros rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=http://coilhouse.net/2007/10/24/the-amplified-pneumatic-squeakitude-of-judy-dunaway rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;obscure&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=http://coilhouse.net/2007/11/21/wonders-of-the-tyrolean-folk-museum rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;homegrown&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=http://coilhouse.net/2007/10/27/communist-gothic&lt;/a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fare.&lt;/a&gt;

Regardless, a reminder (since you directly referred to the mission statement):
&quot;because [alt culture] longer exists, we take from yesterday and tomorrow, &lt;strong&gt;from the mainstream&lt;/strong&gt; and from the underground.&quot;

I see no reason why the stranger-than-fiction antics of delusional celebrity mutants like MJ shouldn&#039;t be grist for the mill. It&#039;s all fun and games until someone gets a laser beam in the eye. :D
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dysphem, I do understand your distaste. And it&#8217;s great that you&#8217;ve brought up Mark Paline and SRL. (Despite all the coverage they get elsewhere, I&#8217;ve been meaning to throw some accolades their way, and at the <a href=http://madagascarinstitute.com/ rel="nofollow">Madagascar Institute</a> in Brooklyn as well.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to think that Coilhouse balances out its more pop/mainstream posts with attention to <a href=http://coilhouse.net/2007/11/19/the-engine-theater-and-its-kinetic-wonder-screen rel="nofollow">somewhat</a> <a href=http://coilhouse.net/2007/11/13/leaving-a-trail-the-fetish-art-of-franz-von-bayros rel="nofollow">more</a> <a href=http://coilhouse.net/2007/10/24/the-amplified-pneumatic-squeakitude-of-judy-dunaway rel="nofollow">obscure</a>, <a href=http://coilhouse.net/2007/11/21/wonders-of-the-tyrolean-folk-museum rel="nofollow">homegrown</a> <a href=http://coilhouse.net/2007/10/27/communist-gothic</a rel="nofollow">fare.</a></p>
<p>Regardless, a reminder (since you directly referred to the mission statement):<br />
&#8220;because [alt culture] longer exists, we take from yesterday and tomorrow, <strong>from the mainstream</strong> and from the underground.&#8221;</p>
<p>I see no reason why the stranger-than-fiction antics of delusional celebrity mutants like MJ shouldn&#8217;t be grist for the mill. It&#8217;s all fun and games until someone gets a laser beam in the eye. :D</p>
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