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	<title>Comments on: Irina Ionesco’s Photography, Eva Ionesco’s Childhood</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymphous</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2008/01/irina-ionescos-photography-eva-ionescos-childhood/comment-page-1/#comment-98114</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymphous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 02:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m horrified … Those porno pictures of a child are terrible !&quot;

It may be that the law would be on your site, but I wouldn`t consider the vast majority of eva`s  pictures as pornography. What is porn is still subjective and if you could imagine yourself to use these images as some fap material, then it may be porn for you, but since these photos are not explicitly showing the genitals, to me, it is just extraordinary beautiful erotical photography art. Where I`m from, there you can see naked children playing in parks, on almost every hot summers day, and this is totally natural.

&quot;how did you guys write and research this entire articale and miss the fact that she tried to sue her mother 3 times for emotional abuse? Its even in her wikipedia articale. And no, I don’t think it had to do directly with the photos, so much as it had to do withy being told to get completely naked in front of total strangers and pose on the beach for “mummy’s friend” while other kids her age were playing with dolls.&quot;

I´ve seen Eva Ionesco`s movie &quot;My Little Princes&quot; a while ago, which is some kind of biographical story about Eva`s life as a famous &quot;childporn&quot; star in the artworld, and as far as I know, Eva actually enjoyed the photoshootings at the beginning, but after a while, she had enough of it. That´s when her mother began to force her to model for new photos. And if she forced her to do it against her will, then it`s no wonder that the relationship between her and her mother began to break.

However, this still absolutely doesn`t mean, that every child who becomes famous for such photos would react the same way. And that Eva seems to regret that her mother took these photos, most likely also has much to do with the social stigmas regarding these things. 

And besides, a huge amount of what is considered as childpornography (and I`m mostly talking about real porn here), also gets/has been produced and uploaded to the internet by children as young as about 8 themselves. So, I wouldn`t too sure that every girl at Eva`s age really is so innocent and only plays with dolls at that age. But I guess, the Americans in this thread already know that children aren`t just innocent, anyway, since it seems to be average there to lock up children for consensual sex between two children.

Anyway, just my two cents of thought on this thread... And to the hysterical and hypocritical anti-pedos here, I can only say, that I feel pity for you, because you are totally generalizing things, and while you have your opinion, in mine, your worldview looks pretty narrow.

peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m horrified … Those porno pictures of a child are terrible !&#8221;</p>
<p>It may be that the law would be on your site, but I wouldn`t consider the vast majority of eva`s  pictures as pornography. What is porn is still subjective and if you could imagine yourself to use these images as some fap material, then it may be porn for you, but since these photos are not explicitly showing the genitals, to me, it is just extraordinary beautiful erotical photography art. Where I`m from, there you can see naked children playing in parks, on almost every hot summers day, and this is totally natural.</p>
<p>&#8220;how did you guys write and research this entire articale and miss the fact that she tried to sue her mother 3 times for emotional abuse? Its even in her wikipedia articale. And no, I don’t think it had to do directly with the photos, so much as it had to do withy being told to get completely naked in front of total strangers and pose on the beach for “mummy’s friend” while other kids her age were playing with dolls.&#8221;</p>
<p>I´ve seen Eva Ionesco`s movie &#8220;My Little Princes&#8221; a while ago, which is some kind of biographical story about Eva`s life as a famous &#8220;childporn&#8221; star in the artworld, and as far as I know, Eva actually enjoyed the photoshootings at the beginning, but after a while, she had enough of it. That´s when her mother began to force her to model for new photos. And if she forced her to do it against her will, then it`s no wonder that the relationship between her and her mother began to break.</p>
<p>However, this still absolutely doesn`t mean, that every child who becomes famous for such photos would react the same way. And that Eva seems to regret that her mother took these photos, most likely also has much to do with the social stigmas regarding these things. </p>
<p>And besides, a huge amount of what is considered as childpornography (and I`m mostly talking about real porn here), also gets/has been produced and uploaded to the internet by children as young as about 8 themselves. So, I wouldn`t too sure that every girl at Eva`s age really is so innocent and only plays with dolls at that age. But I guess, the Americans in this thread already know that children aren`t just innocent, anyway, since it seems to be average there to lock up children for consensual sex between two children.</p>
<p>Anyway, just my two cents of thought on this thread&#8230; And to the hysterical and hypocritical anti-pedos here, I can only say, that I feel pity for you, because you are totally generalizing things, and while you have your opinion, in mine, your worldview looks pretty narrow.</p>
<p>peace</p>
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		<title>By: XYZ</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2008/01/irina-ionescos-photography-eva-ionescos-childhood/comment-page-1/#comment-85362</link>
		<dc:creator>XYZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PAEDOPHILIA AT ITS BEST DISGUISED AS ART AND SOLD TO THE SHEEPLE. PERIOD. ENJOY UR RETARDATION.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PAEDOPHILIA AT ITS BEST DISGUISED AS ART AND SOLD TO THE SHEEPLE. PERIOD. ENJOY UR RETARDATION.</p>
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		<title>By: Courageous, Brave: The Women Who Inspire Me</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2008/01/irina-ionescos-photography-eva-ionescos-childhood/comment-page-1/#comment-78597</link>
		<dc:creator>Courageous, Brave: The Women Who Inspire Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 23:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I would include Kathe Kollwitz, Pan Yuliang, Suzanne Valadon, Marie Bashkirtseff, Frida Kahlo, and Irina Ionesco. Incidentally, there are some curious parallels between the biographies of Suzanne Valadon and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I would include Kathe Kollwitz, Pan Yuliang, Suzanne Valadon, Marie Bashkirtseff, Frida Kahlo, and Irina Ionesco. Incidentally, there are some curious parallels between the biographies of Suzanne Valadon and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith Yayanos</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2008/01/irina-ionescos-photography-eva-ionescos-childhood/comment-page-1/#comment-78119</link>
		<dc:creator>Meredith Yayanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 09:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;how did you guys write and research this entire articale and miss the fact that she tried to sue her mother 3 times for emotional abuse? Its even in her wikipedia articale.&quot;

Respectfully, Faina, we&#039;re not a hivemind; Nadya is the sole author of this piece of writing. I can&#039;t speak for her, but my guess is that when she wrote and posted this feature several years ago, there was far less information available about the Ionesco&#039;s relationship. 

FWIW, a quick trip to the Wayback Machine shows me these captures of Irina and Eva&#039;s wikipedia entries around the approximate time Nadya posted her article:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070422093957/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/eva_ionesco

http://web.archive.org/web/20080523053833/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irina_Ionesco

But I do think that, given recent comments logged here by you and others, and the new wealth of info now available, it&#039;s probably time to revisit this topic on Coilhouse. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;how did you guys write and research this entire articale and miss the fact that she tried to sue her mother 3 times for emotional abuse? Its even in her wikipedia articale.&#8221;</p>
<p>Respectfully, Faina, we&#8217;re not a hivemind; Nadya is the sole author of this piece of writing. I can&#8217;t speak for her, but my guess is that when she wrote and posted this feature several years ago, there was far less information available about the Ionesco&#8217;s relationship. </p>
<p>FWIW, a quick trip to the Wayback Machine shows me these captures of Irina and Eva&#8217;s wikipedia entries around the approximate time Nadya posted her article:</p>
<p><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070422093957/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/eva_ionesco" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/20070422093957/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/eva_ionesco</a></p>
<p><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20080523053833/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irina_Ionesco" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/20080523053833/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irina_Ionesco</a></p>
<p>But I do think that, given recent comments logged here by you and others, and the new wealth of info now available, it&#8217;s probably time to revisit this topic on Coilhouse.</p>
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		<title>By: Faina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 05:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay, yeah. 

&quot;She is 80, and we’re going through our fourth trial. We speak through lawyers. I want them to stop selling the pictures of me naked, but she still denies my suffering… It is endless and venomous. There is a dimension of Greek tragedy&quot;


http://novelactivist.com/blog/update-eva-ionesco-and-my-little-princess/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay, yeah. </p>
<p>&#8220;She is 80, and we’re going through our fourth trial. We speak through lawyers. I want them to stop selling the pictures of me naked, but she still denies my suffering… It is endless and venomous. There is a dimension of Greek tragedy&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://novelactivist.com/blog/update-eva-ionesco-and-my-little-princess/" rel="nofollow">http://novelactivist.com/blog/update-eva-ionesco-and-my-little-princess/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Faina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 05:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pure speculation, but I reckon Eva is perfectly fine with it.&quot;

how did you guys write  and research this entire articale and miss the fact that she tried to sue her mother 3 times for emotional abuse? Its even in her wikipedia articale. 


And no, I don&#039;t think it had to do directly with the photos, so much as it had to do withy being told to get completely naked in front of total strangers and pose on the beach for &quot;mummy&#039;s friend&quot; while other kids her age were playing with dolls. You can be a talented artist, have good intentions but really, still be a total idiot.  Sally Mann&#039;s kids had a normalized childhood as far as I know of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pure speculation, but I reckon Eva is perfectly fine with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>how did you guys write  and research this entire articale and miss the fact that she tried to sue her mother 3 times for emotional abuse? Its even in her wikipedia articale. </p>
<p>And no, I don&#8217;t think it had to do directly with the photos, so much as it had to do withy being told to get completely naked in front of total strangers and pose on the beach for &#8220;mummy&#8217;s friend&#8221; while other kids her age were playing with dolls. You can be a talented artist, have good intentions but really, still be a total idiot.  Sally Mann&#8217;s kids had a normalized childhood as far as I know of.</p>
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		<title>By: loeil</title>
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		<dc:creator>loeil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m horrified ... Those porno pictures of a child are terrible !
Hope you people don&#039;t have any chidren !!!!! It&#039;s porno !!!!
 those photos are maybe beautiful but you just forgot Eva Ionesco was a child !!!
I can&#039;t believe  your comments and you should be a shame ....
Ps: I am sorry for my english , I am french and happy to be when I read your comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m horrified &#8230; Those porno pictures of a child are terrible !<br />
Hope you people don&#8217;t have any chidren !!!!! It&#8217;s porno !!!!<br />
 those photos are maybe beautiful but you just forgot Eva Ionesco was a child !!!<br />
I can&#8217;t believe  your comments and you should be a shame &#8230;.<br />
Ps: I am sorry for my english , I am french and happy to be when I read your comments</p>
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		<title>By: you can thank your mother for that &#124; Maggie and The Shallow Skin Holes</title>
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		<dc:creator>you can thank your mother for that &#124; Maggie and The Shallow Skin Holes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 19:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] now how&#8217;s that for some leopard print? these aren&#8217;t even the raciest of them, go ahead and google the others cause i feel real weird about putting pictures of girls with barely there boobies up here.. i guess she gave up this career for acting, seeing as that&#8217;s what she&#8217;s doing now, but not before being the first 11 year-old to pose for playboy.. yikes, there&#8217;s more info on eva at coilhouse.. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] now how&#8217;s that for some leopard print? these aren&#8217;t even the raciest of them, go ahead and google the others cause i feel real weird about putting pictures of girls with barely there boobies up here.. i guess she gave up this career for acting, seeing as that&#8217;s what she&#8217;s doing now, but not before being the first 11 year-old to pose for playboy.. yikes, there&#8217;s more info on eva at coilhouse.. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk Gauche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dirk Gauche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an amazingly American-centric line of commentary. The fact of the matter is that most Americans DO have a tendency to view all nudity as appealing to prurient interests and most Europeans don&#039;t (the rest of the world seems to vary, but is generally less culturally sensitive to nudity than Americans are).

There is a photo of a naked, young woman on my milk if that gives you an idea. Why? Because it&#039;s &#039;skim&#039; milk, and she&#039;s thin and pretty. Giving the impression that you too can be thin and pretty if you drink this milk. I don&#039;t look at my milk and get &#039;carnal stirrings&#039;, I pour it in my coffee.

These are photos of a young girl, showing that there is a blossoming woman, waiting to emerge from all girls. There is no sexual act being depicted, just sexuality (which is something we have instinctually from birth - it doesn&#039;t simply &#039;occur&#039; at some abstractly determined &#039;age of consent&#039;). The fact that she is nude is irrelevant.

Oddly, when photography was still novel, many European photographers preferred to use very young subjects for nudes because they were seen as more innocent, and as they were less well developed physically these images were seen as not being erotic.

I also find it odd that simply changing where these images are displayed changes these views so much. Does the fact that these same images were seen in Playboy or Penthouse change the nature of the image, or just their interpretation in the mind of the observer?

You Americans are a strange, aberrant, twisted people, with these bizarre notions you have about the human body, but you make good movies so we&#039;ll keep you around. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an amazingly American-centric line of commentary. The fact of the matter is that most Americans DO have a tendency to view all nudity as appealing to prurient interests and most Europeans don&#8217;t (the rest of the world seems to vary, but is generally less culturally sensitive to nudity than Americans are).</p>
<p>There is a photo of a naked, young woman on my milk if that gives you an idea. Why? Because it&#8217;s &#8216;skim&#8217; milk, and she&#8217;s thin and pretty. Giving the impression that you too can be thin and pretty if you drink this milk. I don&#8217;t look at my milk and get &#8216;carnal stirrings&#8217;, I pour it in my coffee.</p>
<p>These are photos of a young girl, showing that there is a blossoming woman, waiting to emerge from all girls. There is no sexual act being depicted, just sexuality (which is something we have instinctually from birth &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t simply &#8216;occur&#8217; at some abstractly determined &#8216;age of consent&#8217;). The fact that she is nude is irrelevant.</p>
<p>Oddly, when photography was still novel, many European photographers preferred to use very young subjects for nudes because they were seen as more innocent, and as they were less well developed physically these images were seen as not being erotic.</p>
<p>I also find it odd that simply changing where these images are displayed changes these views so much. Does the fact that these same images were seen in Playboy or Penthouse change the nature of the image, or just their interpretation in the mind of the observer?</p>
<p>You Americans are a strange, aberrant, twisted people, with these bizarre notions you have about the human body, but you make good movies so we&#8217;ll keep you around. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: whatever</title>
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		<dc:creator>whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The woman must have been on drugs. Sure, the pictures could be fine and artistic, but it is the lighting and setting and costumes and make-up and aaaaaall that. The person could have been a girl of appropriate age and STILL look JUST as good. Taking nude pictures of your own kids is OK as long as they&#039;re private and shot in a natural moment or something (like a trip to the beach, swim), but to publish as &quot;art&quot; or in magazines = NO!

Seriously, people would think garbage was art if photographed in b&amp;w. Art people are morons and that woman was, at least in my opinion, exploiting her child for her own career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The woman must have been on drugs. Sure, the pictures could be fine and artistic, but it is the lighting and setting and costumes and make-up and aaaaaall that. The person could have been a girl of appropriate age and STILL look JUST as good. Taking nude pictures of your own kids is OK as long as they&#8217;re private and shot in a natural moment or something (like a trip to the beach, swim), but to publish as &#8220;art&#8221; or in magazines = NO!</p>
<p>Seriously, people would think garbage was art if photographed in b&amp;w. Art people are morons and that woman was, at least in my opinion, exploiting her child for her own career.</p>
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