Comments on: Linda Bergkvist’s Furiae http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/linda-bergkvists-furiae/ Coilhouse Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:00:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jushi http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/linda-bergkvists-furiae/comment-page-1/#comment-79535 Jushi Thu, 28 Jul 2011 02:55:06 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/15/linda-bergkvists-furiae/#comment-79535 She is a talented painter. It's people going on witch hunts that scared her off of community websites such as deviantart. If you are willing to pay for the art books she's still painting for, you would be able to see a video of her painting a realistic eye all on her own and another of her painting the cover of Expose. How she uses colors are amazingly beautiful. That cannot be faked. Read the debate. http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=169427&page=6 Don't be ignorant. She is a talented painter. It’s people going on witch hunts that scared her off of community websites such as deviantart.

If you are willing to pay for the art books she’s still painting for, you would be able to see a video of her painting a realistic eye all on her own and another of her painting the cover of Expose.

How she uses colors are amazingly beautiful. That cannot be faked.

Read the debate.
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=169427&page=6
Don’t be ignorant.

]]> By: Rob Korsty http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/linda-bergkvists-furiae/comment-page-1/#comment-40129 Rob Korsty Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:45:28 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/15/linda-bergkvists-furiae/#comment-40129 What are you talking about? You can see for yourself at the original picture that she overpaint it. there's proof. the thing was that she didnt admit at first that she did overpaint. now she does say that in her early pictures, she used "heavy reference" original: http://www.deviantart.com/users/outgoing?http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/852/5176n2yebwlss500.jpg linda: http://fc04.deviantart.net/images/i/2002/45/9/b/Nelicquele.jpg What are you talking about? You can see for yourself at the original picture that she overpaint it. there’s proof. the thing was that she didnt admit at first that she did overpaint. now she does say that in her early pictures, she used “heavy reference”

original: http://www.deviantart.com/users/outgoing?http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/852/5176n2yebwlss500.jpg

linda: http://fc04.deviantart.net/images/i/2002/45/9/b/Nelicquele.jpg

]]> By: Ross http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/linda-bergkvists-furiae/comment-page-1/#comment-39966 Ross Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:20:00 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/15/linda-bergkvists-furiae/#comment-39966 No. Some of her work uses photo reference, there is a difference between that and plagiarism. All of the composition and colours are her own work and are not a paint over or traced. One of the people who made the original accusation has since retracted his statements as you can see here: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?s=b6a01ccb417a16e8772a1ca3001c8128&p=4139543&postcount=207 No. Some of her work uses photo reference, there is a difference between that and plagiarism. All of the composition and colours are her own work and are not a paint over or traced.

One of the people who made the original accusation has since retracted his statements as you can see here:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?s=b6a01ccb417a16e8772a1ca3001c8128&p=4139543&postcount=207

]]> By: Rob Korsty http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/linda-bergkvists-furiae/comment-page-1/#comment-39457 Rob Korsty Wed, 07 Jul 2010 04:47:09 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/15/linda-bergkvists-furiae/#comment-39457 Isn't most of her work plagiarism? I remember some controversy occurred when she was called out on this in a few forums. She still has yet to respond to these accusations, which pretty much seals the deal for me on whether or not she's truthful about her methods. Isn’t most of her work plagiarism? I remember some controversy occurred when she was called out on this in a few forums. She still has yet to respond to these accusations, which pretty much seals the deal for me on whether or not she’s truthful about her methods.

]]> By: anonymous http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/linda-bergkvists-furiae/comment-page-1/#comment-15141 anonymous Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:29:59 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/15/linda-bergkvists-furiae/#comment-15141 WOWZERS! WOWZERS!

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]]> By: [?] http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/linda-bergkvists-furiae/comment-page-1/#comment-4851 [?] Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:24:13 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/15/linda-bergkvists-furiae/#comment-4851 i am a very big fan of Linda's work, i even have her prints framed on my wall. I've seen her painting processes, and such paintings as "spoiled" she has claimed it was from scratch, with some referencing. (ive also seen WIP pictures) It doesnt bother me that she uses paintovers, cause in the end she changes it enough to create something new... im just disappointed about her lying what methods she uses. no one can prove anything yet, but i do hope its not true... cause as Thistly stated... i also idolize this woman, i hate to think one of my heroes was a fake i am a very big fan of Linda’s work, i even have her prints framed on my wall. I’ve seen her painting processes, and such paintings as “spoiled” she has claimed it was from scratch, with some referencing. (ive also seen WIP pictures)

It doesnt bother me that she uses paintovers, cause in the end she changes it enough to create something new… im just disappointed about her lying what methods she uses.

no one can prove anything yet, but i do hope its not true… cause as Thistly stated… i also idolize this woman, i hate to think one of my heroes was a fake

]]> By: thistly http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/linda-bergkvists-furiae/comment-page-1/#comment-4802 thistly Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:52:41 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/15/linda-bergkvists-furiae/#comment-4802 Fitst of all her work is gorgeous and she is very, very skilled. But. This is IMPORTANT PLZ. She has been less than honest with her techniques, been caught doing really blatant paintovers of other people's photos. And since she's been caught with this stuff, has disappeared off the face of the internet. Any methods at all are fine by me AS LONG AS: The photos are your own or you have permission. You give credit, or make it clear you used them. The reason these things are important is unless you do them, people assume you have more skill in a certain area than you actually do, and she did neither. People wouldn't like her work quite as much if she was honest, so she wasn't. She even implied in the description of the worst example that she was doodling away in PS and the character "slowly started to appear", and it was inspired by the old masters.... though neglected to mention she actually painted over it down to small details (except a much prettier face and a better figure) from a photo on a book cover. I used to be the BIGGEST fan of her work, from about 6 years ago on small fantasy art sites. Freaking idolized the woman. She got me into digital art as teenager which is now my biggest hobby and a decent source of income, how I met my partner even! So I will always love her for that. But the fact that she has lied about her methods makes me feel a bit cheated, as a previously rabidly loyal fan. I spent years trying to emulate her style, of course failing (painting from scratch, and, well, being 15 years old and a n00b). So when people say 'Who cares that she used photos! the end result is what counts!", well, I FUCKING CARE! And people paying her for her tutorials of dubious authenticity might, too. And the companies that give her valuable prizes in painting competitions might, too (prizes including a high end PC worth several K) Other more honest artists have been experimenting with the photo-painting effect, gotta admit it looks remarkably like Linda's style http://acidlullaby.deviantart.com/art/A-Perfect-Crime-73506123 http://cypherx.deviantart.com/art/Dream-Chaser-43404322 Her masks are way cool, I hope she sticks with this and gets her reputation back. Fitst of all her work is gorgeous and she is very, very skilled.
But. This is IMPORTANT PLZ.
She has been less than honest with her techniques, been caught doing really blatant paintovers of other people’s photos. And since she’s been caught with this stuff, has disappeared off the face of the internet.
Any methods at all are fine by me AS LONG AS:
The photos are your own or you have permission.
You give credit, or make it clear you used them.
The reason these things are important is unless you do them, people assume you have more skill in a certain area than you actually do, and she did neither. People wouldn’t like her work quite as much if she was honest, so she wasn’t.
She even implied in the description of the worst example that she was doodling away in PS and the character “slowly started to appear”, and it was inspired by the old masters…. though neglected to mention she actually painted over it down to small details (except a much prettier face and a better figure) from a photo on a book cover.

I used to be the BIGGEST fan of her work, from about 6 years ago on small fantasy art sites. Freaking idolized the woman. She got me into digital art as teenager which is now my biggest hobby and a decent source of income, how I met my partner even! So I will always love her for that.
But the fact that she has lied about her methods makes me feel a bit cheated, as a previously rabidly loyal fan.
I spent years trying to emulate her style, of course failing (painting from scratch, and, well, being 15 years old and a n00b). So when people say ‘Who cares that she used photos! the end result is what counts!”, well, I FUCKING CARE!
And people paying her for her tutorials of dubious authenticity might, too.
And the companies that give her valuable prizes in painting competitions might, too (prizes including a high end PC worth several K)

Other more honest artists have been experimenting with the photo-painting effect, gotta admit it looks remarkably like Linda’s style
http://acidlullaby.deviantart.com/art/A-Perfect-Crime-73506123
http://cypherx.deviantart.com/art/Dream-Chaser-43404322

Her masks are way cool, I hope she sticks with this and gets her reputation back.

]]> By: Tequila http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/linda-bergkvists-furiae/comment-page-1/#comment-4791 Tequila Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:58:31 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/15/linda-bergkvists-furiae/#comment-4791 @arabel...No drama dragging at all. It's a valid concern about honesty in ones process. More so when one represents work as "100% Original". With CG work so much a heavy mix of painting and photo manipulation it's a tough call to make since there are no hard and fast universal guidelines. Plagiarism is one thing but when the genre you work in demands some level of culling outside sources...how far is it from say what a DJ does with music? CG art has a lot of the same methods really...and as you've seen in the right hands it's pretty amazing. If anything a CG artist should for their own benefit list what images they used in their work fully...keeps things much more varied and lively in the long run and opens up a whole new market of work. Much like what's been going on in music and really 3D texture art for years. @arabel…No drama dragging at all. It’s a valid concern about honesty in ones process. More so when one represents work as “100% Original”. With CG work so much a heavy mix of painting and photo manipulation it’s a tough call to make since there are no hard and fast universal guidelines. Plagiarism is one thing but when the genre you work in demands some level of culling outside sources…how far is it from say what a DJ does with music? CG art has a lot of the same methods really…and as you’ve seen in the right hands it’s pretty amazing.

If anything a CG artist should for their own benefit list what images they used in their work fully…keeps things much more varied and lively in the long run and opens up a whole new market of work. Much like what’s been going on in music and really 3D texture art for years.

]]> By: arabel http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/linda-bergkvists-furiae/comment-page-1/#comment-4762 arabel Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:23:52 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/2008/03/15/linda-bergkvists-furiae/#comment-4762 Tequila - Oh, I completely agree - her work takes great skill even if it's not painted from scratch, and is really gorgeous. And you do definitely get the impression that some people do have a bit more venom in criticising her than you'd really expect. I think what I gathered from the posts when I read them at the time (when all three threads were still up), was that people weren't bothered by the use of photos - but by the fact that they felt she hadn't been honest about using photos, and that she went out of her way to give people the impression that the pieces were painted from scratch. Whether that bothers you or not, well, I guess that always differs. :) Sorry for tracking the drama in here - I didn't mean to imply one way or the other what's really going on with her work. I just find the discussion on digital art interesting, I guess. I'd tend to come down on the side of 'always be honest about your processes' myself, but I'm conservative, heh. Tequila – Oh, I completely agree – her work takes great skill even if it’s not painted from scratch, and is really gorgeous. And you do definitely get the impression that some people do have a bit more venom in criticising her than you’d really expect.

I think what I gathered from the posts when I read them at the time (when all three threads were still up), was that people weren’t bothered by the use of photos – but by the fact that they felt she hadn’t been honest about using photos, and that she went out of her way to give people the impression that the pieces were painted from scratch. Whether that bothers you or not, well, I guess that always differs. :)

Sorry for tracking the drama in here – I didn’t mean to imply one way or the other what’s really going on with her work. I just find the discussion on digital art interesting, I guess. I’d tend to come down on the side of ‘always be honest about your processes’ myself, but I’m conservative, heh.

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