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		<title>By: Daniel Gorringe</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2008/08/the-motherland-needs-a-word-with-you/comment-page-1/#comment-11099</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Gorringe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that aggravation over appropriation of culture misses two salient points:
1) No matter what artistic methods (in this case, cultural appropriation) are used by large advertising and film promotion, it will be cheap and offensive.

2) There&#039;s a failure on the behalf of the Russians here to grasp the essence of English-speaking culture; theft. Our cultural motto is &quot;I like that. That&#039;s mine now.&quot; Or should we still be wearing night shirts instead of pyjamas and speaking pre-goidelic Celtic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that aggravation over appropriation of culture misses two salient points:<br />
1) No matter what artistic methods (in this case, cultural appropriation) are used by large advertising and film promotion, it will be cheap and offensive.</p>
<p>2) There&#8217;s a failure on the behalf of the Russians here to grasp the essence of English-speaking culture; theft. Our cultural motto is &#8220;I like that. That&#8217;s mine now.&#8221; Or should we still be wearing night shirts instead of pyjamas and speaking pre-goidelic Celtic?</p>
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		<title>By: Because</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2008/08/the-motherland-needs-a-word-with-you/comment-page-1/#comment-9837</link>
		<dc:creator>Because</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in answer we have this comic: http://wondermark.com/d/188.html

And in answer to that comic, we have this shirt: http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&amp;Store_Code=TO&amp;Product_Code=WON-ELEPHANT&amp;Category_Code=WON

(Hope the links work.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in answer we have this comic: <a href="http://wondermark.com/d/188.html" rel="nofollow">http://wondermark.com/d/188.html</a></p>
<p>And in answer to that comic, we have this shirt: <a href="http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&amp;Store_Code=TO&amp;Product_Code=WON-ELEPHANT&amp;Category_Code=WON" rel="nofollow">http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&amp;Store_Code=TO&amp;Product_Code=WON-ELEPHANT&amp;Category_Code=WON</a></p>
<p>(Hope the links work.)</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i entirely agree. You raise very many interesting points here, and i enjoyed reading them. 
The girls in that photograph look absolutely ridiculous, so much so it actually irritates me. Speaking of irritating, Cyrillic abuse is aggravating and ignorant. People constantly get away with abusing culturally symbols like that, and i find it endlessly annoying. 
Thanks for writing the article, it was great to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i entirely agree. You raise very many interesting points here, and i enjoyed reading them.<br />
The girls in that photograph look absolutely ridiculous, so much so it actually irritates me. Speaking of irritating, Cyrillic abuse is aggravating and ignorant. People constantly get away with abusing culturally symbols like that, and i find it endlessly annoying.<br />
Thanks for writing the article, it was great to read.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to do something red and black and Cyrillic for the trailer to &#039;The Hunt for Red October&#039; (1990) - but it it didn&#039;t fly.

:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to do something red and black and Cyrillic for the trailer to &#8216;The Hunt for Red October&#8217; (1990) &#8211; but it it didn&#8217;t fly.</p>
<p>:D</p>
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		<title>By: Mz. Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mz. Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are some real ones...
http://0rchid-thief.livejournal.com/658885.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some real ones&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://0rchid-thief.livejournal.com/658885.html" rel="nofollow">http://0rchid-thief.livejournal.com/658885.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: paul blume</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul blume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a question for Meredith:
&#039;vegan&#039; fur coat?
this intestests me...
does it mean fake fur or the fuzz scraped off vegetables that have been in the refrigerator too long?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a question for Meredith:<br />
&#8216;vegan&#8217; fur coat?<br />
this intestests me&#8230;<br />
does it mean fake fur or the fuzz scraped off vegetables that have been in the refrigerator too long?</p>
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		<title>By: BlueAnchorNatasha</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2008/08/the-motherland-needs-a-word-with-you/comment-page-1/#comment-8586</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueAnchorNatasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two points. The first being, that while I actually do read many entries, I have yet to comment. Its usually because Im so overwhelmed by how many interesting articles there are here. One could quite literally learn something new every day. Coilhouse is also a love letter to the literate. As far as Russia-love, I have to say that even though I am a bit guilty of heritage flaunting, even going so far as to name jewelry pieces after various members of the Romanov family and periods of Russian history, the moment I saw the Borat logo font, I wanted to slap some sense into everyone involved in the film. I still have not seen the film and have no intention of doing so. Cyrillic abuse is ignorant, its irritating and its just as bad as the American misuse of the German word &#039;über&#039;. Its not cute people, its grammatically INCORRECT. It makes me think, thats ok though people, you can make a jackass of yourself, Ill just pretend you dont exist. If theres one thing that sets me off, its misuse of foreign languages, whether it be whole words or phrases or the font in general. Cultural ignorance? Ohhh, dont even get me started on that one.

Over and out!
Natasha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two points. The first being, that while I actually do read many entries, I have yet to comment. Its usually because Im so overwhelmed by how many interesting articles there are here. One could quite literally learn something new every day. Coilhouse is also a love letter to the literate. As far as Russia-love, I have to say that even though I am a bit guilty of heritage flaunting, even going so far as to name jewelry pieces after various members of the Romanov family and periods of Russian history, the moment I saw the Borat logo font, I wanted to slap some sense into everyone involved in the film. I still have not seen the film and have no intention of doing so. Cyrillic abuse is ignorant, its irritating and its just as bad as the American misuse of the German word &#8216;über&#8217;. Its not cute people, its grammatically INCORRECT. It makes me think, thats ok though people, you can make a jackass of yourself, Ill just pretend you dont exist. If theres one thing that sets me off, its misuse of foreign languages, whether it be whole words or phrases or the font in general. Cultural ignorance? Ohhh, dont even get me started on that one.</p>
<p>Over and out!<br />
Natasha</p>
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		<title>By: Mer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buh buh... but &lt;a href=http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2374/2020292725_963e219ad6.jpg&gt;I WUB mah furry hat...&lt;/a&gt;

 (It&#039;s vegan! Does that make me less of a douchenozzle?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buh buh&#8230; but <a href=http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2374/2020292725_963e219ad6.jpg>I WUB mah furry hat&#8230;</a></p>
<p> (It&#8217;s vegan! Does that make me less of a douchenozzle?)</p>
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		<title>By: SteveCooperOrg</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveCooperOrg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>я люблю медведи гризли в шапках

Those hats are something else. I want one. I know I shouldn&#039;t, but I do. And I want the bear and his little hat. *sotto voce* I want him so bad.

Anyone care to offer links or thoughts on better culture mashups? What good fusion do you like? Or are these things always doomed to failuяe? 

And what about subcultures that takes from history, not geography, the way trad goth &amp; new romo takes from victorian and edwardian fashion? The past is a foreign country, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>я люблю медведи гризли в шапках</p>
<p>Those hats are something else. I want one. I know I shouldn&#8217;t, but I do. And I want the bear and his little hat. *sotto voce* I want him so bad.</p>
<p>Anyone care to offer links or thoughts on better culture mashups? What good fusion do you like? Or are these things always doomed to failuяe? </p>
<p>And what about subcultures that takes from history, not geography, the way trad goth &amp; new romo takes from victorian and edwardian fashion? The past is a foreign country, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Tequila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tequila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyrillic script, The Soviet Union era, and Russia in general have such a varied and strong impression on The West that it’s no surprise some of it is so off the mark. It all went from being THE ENEMY to NOT THE ENEMY to WE’RE JUST NOT SURE ANYMORE in a span of about 20 years. 

The Cold War era seems so far in the past now that it can be downright campy to think about and explore for quite a few coming out of their teens. Cultural Appropriation as a result becomes more of an exploration of the unfamiliar than an ignorant exploitation of the misunderstood.

We’d like to think people would do something as simple as  go to Google and search up on Russia, its history, its languages, etc. before doing anything with them…but that’s just not the case. I think for many it’s like finding a parents record collection…it’s strange, unfamiliar, confusing, and without a clear start or end point. So the best way to explore is to jump in a bit ignorant about what’s what with hopes it’ll all make sense at some point. To be fair over time it does for most and with surprisingly positive results. One needs only see the love affair the US now has with Japan. That took quite a bit of time and started off nearly as bad as the stuff pointed at above.

“…isn’t it strange the way nobody bats an eyelid if you cop Soviet propaganda styles, but Nazi swastikas and the like are a huge no-no?...”

The Soviet Union lasted longer and essentially burned out. So its iconography went from intimidating, to symbolic, to campy, to now historical and a genre unto itself. The Nazi’s had to be taken to the gallows and hunted down. As a result none of that lost its bite even when it was played campy in stuff like Hogan’s Heroes. Plus so much of that was embraced by hate groups since then that the brutality continued even after the Cold War ended. Some guy in a CCCP shirt (just saw that last night at my local 7-11 actually) isn’t saying anywhere near what a person wearing a swastika is…

Or are they? That’s kinda the other strange part of Cultural Appropriation in that over time everything changes it’s meanings or picks up even more. After all the Nazi’s appropriated the swastika, Soviet era creations like the AK-47 have become THE symbols for revolution anywhere, and well we’ve all seen the appropriation of tribal symbols for just about anything.

With Cultural Appropriation now in high gear thanks to the ye olde internet… it’s allowed for anything from any culture to become trendy, influential, or utterly hilarious within a heartbeat. It may muddy the waters even more than the examples above but it could end up breaking down cultural divides faster as a result. It’s pretty clear most of us here already thrive on that so the responsibility does rest in those who know the history and meaning of things to educate those that don’t…unless they’re a sorority girl who thinks her tattoo means “inner peace” but actually stands for “flatulent cow”. We’ll just leave that one as is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyrillic script, The Soviet Union era, and Russia in general have such a varied and strong impression on The West that it’s no surprise some of it is so off the mark. It all went from being THE ENEMY to NOT THE ENEMY to WE’RE JUST NOT SURE ANYMORE in a span of about 20 years. </p>
<p>The Cold War era seems so far in the past now that it can be downright campy to think about and explore for quite a few coming out of their teens. Cultural Appropriation as a result becomes more of an exploration of the unfamiliar than an ignorant exploitation of the misunderstood.</p>
<p>We’d like to think people would do something as simple as  go to Google and search up on Russia, its history, its languages, etc. before doing anything with them…but that’s just not the case. I think for many it’s like finding a parents record collection…it’s strange, unfamiliar, confusing, and without a clear start or end point. So the best way to explore is to jump in a bit ignorant about what’s what with hopes it’ll all make sense at some point. To be fair over time it does for most and with surprisingly positive results. One needs only see the love affair the US now has with Japan. That took quite a bit of time and started off nearly as bad as the stuff pointed at above.</p>
<p>“…isn’t it strange the way nobody bats an eyelid if you cop Soviet propaganda styles, but Nazi swastikas and the like are a huge no-no?&#8230;”</p>
<p>The Soviet Union lasted longer and essentially burned out. So its iconography went from intimidating, to symbolic, to campy, to now historical and a genre unto itself. The Nazi’s had to be taken to the gallows and hunted down. As a result none of that lost its bite even when it was played campy in stuff like Hogan’s Heroes. Plus so much of that was embraced by hate groups since then that the brutality continued even after the Cold War ended. Some guy in a CCCP shirt (just saw that last night at my local 7-11 actually) isn’t saying anywhere near what a person wearing a swastika is…</p>
<p>Or are they? That’s kinda the other strange part of Cultural Appropriation in that over time everything changes it’s meanings or picks up even more. After all the Nazi’s appropriated the swastika, Soviet era creations like the AK-47 have become THE symbols for revolution anywhere, and well we’ve all seen the appropriation of tribal symbols for just about anything.</p>
<p>With Cultural Appropriation now in high gear thanks to the ye olde internet… it’s allowed for anything from any culture to become trendy, influential, or utterly hilarious within a heartbeat. It may muddy the waters even more than the examples above but it could end up breaking down cultural divides faster as a result. It’s pretty clear most of us here already thrive on that so the responsibility does rest in those who know the history and meaning of things to educate those that don’t…unless they’re a sorority girl who thinks her tattoo means “inner peace” but actually stands for “flatulent cow”. We’ll just leave that one as is.</p>
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