Comments on: YouTube Brings on the Great Prop 8 Debate http://coilhouse.net/2008/10/youtube-brings-on-the-great-prop-8-debate/ Coilhouse Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:00:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Sarah http://coilhouse.net/2008/10/youtube-brings-on-the-great-prop-8-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-11973 Sarah Sun, 28 Dec 2008 05:50:30 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/?p=3753#comment-11973 It still upsets me that this passed. I wish that there weren't so many stupid peoplewho think its okay to tell people who to love. I still hope that they'll allow gay marriage in California again, when the population finally stops mentally degenerating. I guess we can still rest assuered that my state, MA will never ban gay marriage. And if they do, our state is in for hell. I'm glad to see that this website has such good vibe towards equal marriage. It still upsets me that this passed. I wish that there weren’t so many stupid peoplewho think its okay to tell people who to love. I still hope that they’ll allow gay marriage in California again, when the population finally stops mentally degenerating. I guess we can still rest assuered that my state, MA will never ban gay marriage. And if they do, our state is in for hell.

I’m glad to see that this website has such good vibe towards equal marriage.

]]> By: Al Embic http://coilhouse.net/2008/10/youtube-brings-on-the-great-prop-8-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-10427 Al Embic Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:05:28 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/?p=3753#comment-10427 I continue to be dumbfounded by the amount of fear and hatred that the gay and lesbian communities instill in so-called Christians. Supposedly, it's a faith based on universal love and humility, not prejudice and shame. On behalf of those of us with open hearts and minds, I apologize to you Mer, and to everyone else this petty, bigoted mandate will undoubtedly come to harm. I continue to be dumbfounded by the amount of fear and hatred that the gay and lesbian communities instill in so-called Christians. Supposedly, it’s a faith based on universal love and humility, not prejudice and shame. On behalf of those of us with open hearts and minds, I apologize to you Mer, and to everyone else this petty, bigoted mandate will undoubtedly come to harm.

]]> By: Tequila http://coilhouse.net/2008/10/youtube-brings-on-the-great-prop-8-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-10231 Tequila Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:21:23 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/?p=3753#comment-10231 @ Mer...That's a good re-edit. As much as we know the arguments don't carry much weight it's clear the opposition will go as low as needed to get their way. I like the idea to make this issue about discrimination but it's a tough one to gain traction on these days. The terms has been tossed about so much both in courts and in public many ignore it. With Gay Marriage as a right in a just and fair society being spun as an attack on religious beliefs...one has to wonder how you honestly "win" in this case. Lets say Prop 8 goes down in flames and the ones to follow do to. At some point the core religious values the hate to all this is based on needs to be challenged from the inside with increasing tact at that. What can't get lost and in all truth what should be given more attention is that those against Prop 8 are not all anti-religion or just a bunch of atheists. There are those who understand the religious arguments against homosexuality are weak and have been able to find a way to keep their faith despite official bans and critiques against their lifestyles and sexual orientation. As much as the arguments against the mixture of church & state flame up...realistically they have and always will be intertwined. Sometimes the only way to take something down is to hammer out a support column or two. To do that you have to know how something is put together. IF this cannot remain a social issue and must be dealt as a religious one then arguments in that arena need to be made too. We've all seen, heard, and read the opposition to all this...they're gonna make this issue bigger if they lose and more hate fueled if they win...no sense in giving them ground to build their attacks on something as interpretative as religion right? @ Mer…That’s a good re-edit. As much as we know the arguments don’t carry much weight it’s clear the opposition will go as low as needed to get their way.

I like the idea to make this issue about discrimination but it’s a tough one to gain traction on these days. The terms has been tossed about so much both in courts and in public many ignore it.

With Gay Marriage as a right in a just and fair society being spun as an attack on religious beliefs…one has to wonder how you honestly “win” in this case.

Lets say Prop 8 goes down in flames and the ones to follow do to. At some point the core religious values the hate to all this is based on needs to be challenged from the inside with increasing tact at that. What can’t get lost and in all truth what should be given more attention is that those against Prop 8 are not all anti-religion or just a bunch of atheists. There are those who understand the religious arguments against homosexuality are weak and have been able to find a way to keep their faith despite official bans and critiques against their lifestyles and sexual orientation.

As much as the arguments against the mixture of church & state flame up…realistically they have and always will be intertwined. Sometimes the only way to take something down is to hammer out a support column or two. To do that you have to know how something is put together. IF this cannot remain a social issue and must be dealt as a religious one then arguments in that arena need to be made too.

We’ve all seen, heard, and read the opposition to all this…they’re gonna make this issue bigger if they lose and more hate fueled if they win…no sense in giving them ground to build their attacks on something as interpretative as religion right?

]]> By: Mer http://coilhouse.net/2008/10/youtube-brings-on-the-great-prop-8-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-10229 Mer Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:45:33 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/?p=3753#comment-10229 <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/2H3kxDFgmu8&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/2H3kxDFgmu8&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

]]> By: Jessica http://coilhouse.net/2008/10/youtube-brings-on-the-great-prop-8-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-10210 Jessica Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:42:46 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/?p=3753#comment-10210 "None of these folks knew me, yet they instantly knew they hated me." So sad, so scary. I'm glad that you weren't hurt! I hope that I never even *begin* to understand the these types, who seem to feed on hatred, who presume to judge that love is wrong because it doesn't fit their own ideology. I desperately hope that the upcoming election will signal a long-overdue and desperately needed return to a more thoughtful, intelligent and open-minded America. *knock on wood* “None of these folks knew me, yet they instantly knew they hated me.”
So sad, so scary. I’m glad that you weren’t hurt! I hope that I never even *begin* to understand the these types, who seem to feed on hatred, who presume to judge that love is wrong because it doesn’t fit their own ideology. I desperately hope that the upcoming election will signal a long-overdue and desperately needed return to a more thoughtful, intelligent and open-minded America. *knock on wood*

]]> By: BlueAnchorNatasha http://coilhouse.net/2008/10/youtube-brings-on-the-great-prop-8-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-10157 BlueAnchorNatasha Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:59:11 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/?p=3753#comment-10157 I am seriously livid right now. I know I shouldnt be surprised at all of this, but I guess I just have more hope in humanity than I should. People are so fucking ignorant and close-minded, its physically sickening. I feel like putting my fist through a wall, crying, even sick to my stomach. Its appalling, its such appalling BULLSHIT. And the irony. Now I get to go deal with the inconsiderate mexican family behind us who blast their shit until 2+ in the morning. I am seriously livid right now. I know I shouldnt be surprised at all of this, but I guess I just have more hope in humanity than I should. People are so fucking ignorant and close-minded, its physically sickening. I feel like putting my fist through a wall, crying, even sick to my stomach. Its appalling, its such appalling BULLSHIT. And the irony. Now I get to go deal with the inconsiderate mexican family behind us who blast their shit until 2+ in the morning.

]]> By: Francesca You Betcha http://coilhouse.net/2008/10/youtube-brings-on-the-great-prop-8-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-10146 Francesca You Betcha Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:21:44 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/?p=3753#comment-10146 This is so deeply disturbing, Mer. It appears that the coarse, cruel, and blind never fail to abandon all sense of reason and dignity in the face of opposition to their righteous bigotry. I'm so glad you came away from this relatively unscathed. This is so deeply disturbing, Mer. It appears that the coarse, cruel, and blind never fail to abandon all sense of reason and dignity in the face of opposition to their righteous bigotry.

I’m so glad you came away from this relatively unscathed.

]]> By: Ben Morris http://coilhouse.net/2008/10/youtube-brings-on-the-great-prop-8-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-10144 Ben Morris Sat, 25 Oct 2008 05:24:50 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/?p=3753#comment-10144 Tequila & David Forbes: As far as song singing in support of Mer I think the best idea would be to resolutely sing the Beatles' <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evSkxq9jpe8" rel="nofollow">Think for Yourself</a> (<a href="http://www.absolutelyrics.com/lyrics/view/the_beatles/think_for_yourself/" rel="nofollow">lyrics</a>) as forcefully as possible towards every prop 8 supporter. Tequila & David Forbes: As far as song singing in support of Mer I think the best idea would be to resolutely sing the Beatles’ Think for Yourself (lyrics) as forcefully as possible towards every prop 8 supporter.

]]> By: cappy http://coilhouse.net/2008/10/youtube-brings-on-the-great-prop-8-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-10137 cappy Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:31:28 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/?p=3753#comment-10137 It's just like the fucking 60's all over again. Damn, wish I woulda been there with you, but you probably wouldn't have wanted to fight back, right? It’s just like the fucking 60′s all over again.

Damn, wish I woulda been there with you, but you probably wouldn’t have wanted to fight back, right?

]]> By: Io http://coilhouse.net/2008/10/youtube-brings-on-the-great-prop-8-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-10136 Io Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:52:24 +0000 http://coilhouse.net/?p=3753#comment-10136 Mer: I'm so glad you're OK. And even though I don't know you, were we in the same geographic location, I would have have loved to have stood right there with you. I applaud you for confronting such monstrous people with such grace and courage. Mer: I’m so glad you’re OK. And even though I don’t know you, were we in the same geographic location, I would have have loved to have stood right there with you. I applaud you for confronting such monstrous people with such grace and courage.

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