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		<title>By: Mer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane Don is mistaken.

People made the same short-sided, knee-jerk statement about miscegenation laws. Thankfully, our courts are set up to protect American citizens from majority rulings like this one.

By the way, Prop 8 is flimsy as hell. It won&#039;t hold up. &quot;Mob rule&quot; like this never does in a truly democratic system.

 Let&#039;s review, shall we:

• Prop 8 clearly discriminates against gay citizens.
• Prop 8 has no effect on the tax exemptions of churches.
• Prop 8 has no effect on teaching or the protection of parental rights already provided by state law. 

That &quot;protect the children&quot; puke was a smokescreen. Absolutely no logic behind it. A scare tactic. 

Flimsy. Unconstitutional. Destined to fail.

While under the scrutiny of scores of law professors, Prop 8 campaign heads weren&#039;t able to produce one single rational, respectable expert to back up ANYTHING they claimed/intimated to get it passed. 

 As long as we&#039;re still in America, something as fundamentally unconstitutional as this is bound to be overturned. It&#039;s only a matter of time.

&quot;So be it&quot; my fat Aunt Fanny, lady.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane Don is mistaken.</p>
<p>People made the same short-sided, knee-jerk statement about miscegenation laws. Thankfully, our courts are set up to protect American citizens from majority rulings like this one.</p>
<p>By the way, Prop 8 is flimsy as hell. It won&#8217;t hold up. &#8220;Mob rule&#8221; like this never does in a truly democratic system.</p>
<p> Let&#8217;s review, shall we:</p>
<p>• Prop 8 clearly discriminates against gay citizens.<br />
• Prop 8 has no effect on the tax exemptions of churches.<br />
• Prop 8 has no effect on teaching or the protection of parental rights already provided by state law. </p>
<p>That &#8220;protect the children&#8221; puke was a smokescreen. Absolutely no logic behind it. A scare tactic. </p>
<p>Flimsy. Unconstitutional. Destined to fail.</p>
<p>While under the scrutiny of scores of law professors, Prop 8 campaign heads weren&#8217;t able to produce one single rational, respectable expert to back up ANYTHING they claimed/intimated to get it passed. </p>
<p> As long as we&#8217;re still in America, something as fundamentally unconstitutional as this is bound to be overturned. It&#8217;s only a matter of time.</p>
<p>&#8220;So be it&#8221; my fat Aunt Fanny, lady.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prop 8 will not be overturned. The will of the majority was expressed democratically. So be it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prop 8 will not be overturned. The will of the majority was expressed democratically. So be it.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Scharlach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Scharlach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olbermann hits it out of the ballpark: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cVUecPhQPqY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olbermann hits it out of the ballpark: <a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cVUecPhQPqY" rel="nofollow">http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cVUecPhQPqY</a></p>
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		<title>By: PUREVILE!</title>
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		<dc:creator>PUREVILE!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Margaret Cho said something like &quot;What kind of government would deny a gay man the right to bridal registry!?!?!?!?&quot;

Not trying to be flip...but just turning to comedy to mask my anger/frustration...Prop 8 is one of about 5 acts like this to be passed...I think Florida actually passed on that included denying not only same sex but single people from adopting children!!!!!

As long as sexuality ...specifically homosexuality is thought of as a &quot;choice&quot; we will NEVER be legitimized!!!! And HONEY if it WAS a choice I would choose it EVERY TIME!!!!! 

It wasn&#039;t that long ago that inter-racial marriage was illegal...It wasn&#039;t too long a go that all our presdients were WHITE....This too can be overcome...Let&#039;s just not get complacent...We can celebrate and still protest....These are basic human rights we&#039;re talking about...we need to get back to the streets and make our voices heard!!!!!

Thank you for the support Coilhouse!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Margaret Cho said something like &#8220;What kind of government would deny a gay man the right to bridal registry!?!?!?!?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not trying to be flip&#8230;but just turning to comedy to mask my anger/frustration&#8230;Prop 8 is one of about 5 acts like this to be passed&#8230;I think Florida actually passed on that included denying not only same sex but single people from adopting children!!!!!</p>
<p>As long as sexuality &#8230;specifically homosexuality is thought of as a &#8220;choice&#8221; we will NEVER be legitimized!!!! And HONEY if it WAS a choice I would choose it EVERY TIME!!!!! </p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t that long ago that inter-racial marriage was illegal&#8230;It wasn&#8217;t too long a go that all our presdients were WHITE&#8230;.This too can be overcome&#8230;Let&#8217;s just not get complacent&#8230;We can celebrate and still protest&#8230;.These are basic human rights we&#8217;re talking about&#8230;we need to get back to the streets and make our voices heard!!!!!</p>
<p>Thank you for the support Coilhouse!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Brock McCoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brock McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashamed to be a Californian? At least it went Obama, I assure you there are more hostile places than WeHo for those guys. When I brought Prop 8&#039;s defeat up to one of my more flamboyant friends he blew it off and said, &quot;People get married for the wrong reasons all the time anyway.&quot; The country isn&#039;t perfect, but it&#039;s been worse.

Don&#039;t be sad, go to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourharvest.com/thinkspace/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Audrey Kawasaki and Friends Show at Thinkspace in LA&lt;/a&gt;!

A few photo incentives &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/29503727@N08/sets/72157608753442334/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashamed to be a Californian? At least it went Obama, I assure you there are more hostile places than WeHo for those guys. When I brought Prop 8&#8242;s defeat up to one of my more flamboyant friends he blew it off and said, &#8220;People get married for the wrong reasons all the time anyway.&#8221; The country isn&#8217;t perfect, but it&#8217;s been worse.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be sad, go to the <a href="http://www.sourharvest.com/thinkspace/" rel="nofollow">Audrey Kawasaki and Friends Show at Thinkspace in LA</a>!</p>
<p>A few photo incentives <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/29503727@N08/sets/72157608753442334/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: S3</title>
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		<dc:creator>S3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am completely ashamed to be a Californian right now. Truly. There is something very symbolic though, at least to me, in the lone voice breaking through the loud screeching of the opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am completely ashamed to be a Californian right now. Truly. There is something very symbolic though, at least to me, in the lone voice breaking through the loud screeching of the opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to take a moment of your time to ask you to please not be upset with the minorities. It was not our fault that prop 8 passed.
I know that finding a scapegoat happens. I believe that the no on 8 campaign is going to solidify into a strong enough movement to defeat the hatred of the LDS and such.

But you have to understand that the Latino vote in particular was actually split almost like the overall vote. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27584685/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;53%&lt;/a&gt; in favor. This is really an incredible achievement over the previous proposition where support was higher. 

Yes it is perhaps true that hispanics are majority Catholic, yet it is also true that in Latin America there is a prevalence of the more liberal leaning&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liberationtheology.org/#overview&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; liberation theology backgrounds. &lt;/a&gt;

I point you to the fact in many of the more cosmopolitan regions of Ibero-America there is legally recognized gay marriage &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Mexico DF, Spain, Argentina&lt;/a&gt;.  Uruguay and Ecuador have civil unions.  

One of the most famous youth pop groups has not an only an openly gay member but a married, openly gay member &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Ch%C3%A1vez&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Christian&lt;/a&gt;

I ask you to please not be angry at certain demographic groups. Not to overlook the vicious and nasty propaganda that the Yes people ran which included a horrible betrayal of the youth by an ex popular actor &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduardo_Ver%C3%A1stegui&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eduardo Verastegui&lt;/a&gt;
Please don&#039;t allow the xenophobia to consume the state in your disgusts over the results.

 No group is to blame for the passing of this horrible, disgusting, and cruel law. The deceptive and unfortunately far more efficiently run campaign of the Yes people took advantage of the fears and misunderstandings of MANY kinds of people. 

If the No on 8 people had reached across the boundaries of race and politics to other groups previously persecuted perhaps this could have gone a different way. The beautiful ad that actually mention the very important and relevant issue of miscegenation did not play in the airwaves until far too late. 

In many ways the failure to protect rights was a result of No on 8 campaigners resting in their laurels of a preconceived victory in light of early positive polling. 

A campaign that made big issues out of previous miscegenation laws, out of the issue of rights and also importantly the issue of the economy might have won the day.

A very important factor in the rise of wedding accessory sales that boosted the local economies should have been used as incentive to approve and accept gay marriage.

The whole religion thing should have been contained earlier. The lawsuit that was mentioned in Yes on 8 ads was never fully addressed as the sham it was, it had nothing to with the church&#039;s beliefs but the use of public property. 


Hatred can not be defeated with hatred, unfortunately that would be too easy. It can only be defeated with understanding, education, reason and love. 

Do not become upset  people but reach out to them and embrace them even in their ignorance, for this is the only way to prove that what they&#039;ve been told is so very wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to take a moment of your time to ask you to please not be upset with the minorities. It was not our fault that prop 8 passed.<br />
I know that finding a scapegoat happens. I believe that the no on 8 campaign is going to solidify into a strong enough movement to defeat the hatred of the LDS and such.</p>
<p>But you have to understand that the Latino vote in particular was actually split almost like the overall vote. <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27584685/" rel="nofollow">53%</a> in favor. This is really an incredible achievement over the previous proposition where support was higher. </p>
<p>Yes it is perhaps true that hispanics are majority Catholic, yet it is also true that in Latin America there is a prevalence of the more liberal leaning<a href="http://www.liberationtheology.org/#overview" rel="nofollow"> liberation theology backgrounds. </a></p>
<p>I point you to the fact in many of the more cosmopolitan regions of Ibero-America there is legally recognized gay marriage <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage" rel="nofollow"> Mexico DF, Spain, Argentina</a>.  Uruguay and Ecuador have civil unions.  </p>
<p>One of the most famous youth pop groups has not an only an openly gay member but a married, openly gay member <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Ch%C3%A1vez" rel="nofollow"> Christian</a></p>
<p>I ask you to please not be angry at certain demographic groups. Not to overlook the vicious and nasty propaganda that the Yes people ran which included a horrible betrayal of the youth by an ex popular actor <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduardo_Ver%C3%A1stegui" rel="nofollow">Eduardo Verastegui</a><br />
Please don&#8217;t allow the xenophobia to consume the state in your disgusts over the results.</p>
<p> No group is to blame for the passing of this horrible, disgusting, and cruel law. The deceptive and unfortunately far more efficiently run campaign of the Yes people took advantage of the fears and misunderstandings of MANY kinds of people. </p>
<p>If the No on 8 people had reached across the boundaries of race and politics to other groups previously persecuted perhaps this could have gone a different way. The beautiful ad that actually mention the very important and relevant issue of miscegenation did not play in the airwaves until far too late. </p>
<p>In many ways the failure to protect rights was a result of No on 8 campaigners resting in their laurels of a preconceived victory in light of early positive polling. </p>
<p>A campaign that made big issues out of previous miscegenation laws, out of the issue of rights and also importantly the issue of the economy might have won the day.</p>
<p>A very important factor in the rise of wedding accessory sales that boosted the local economies should have been used as incentive to approve and accept gay marriage.</p>
<p>The whole religion thing should have been contained earlier. The lawsuit that was mentioned in Yes on 8 ads was never fully addressed as the sham it was, it had nothing to with the church&#8217;s beliefs but the use of public property. </p>
<p>Hatred can not be defeated with hatred, unfortunately that would be too easy. It can only be defeated with understanding, education, reason and love. </p>
<p>Do not become upset  people but reach out to them and embrace them even in their ignorance, for this is the only way to prove that what they&#8217;ve been told is so very wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerem Morrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerem Morrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashbet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashbet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard about the Proposition 8 results when I was in the bosom of my chosen family, celebrating the presidential election.  It hurts so much to know that my beloved girlfriend couldn&#039;t marry me if she wanted to (aside from the fact that we&#039;re both, er, married to other people -- long story there, but it&#039;s a wonderful and warm and complex story.)  

The idea of drowning their hate in the power of real, true, and enduring love very much resonates with me.  Here&#039;s hoping that, in the next four years, we can bring the country back into some degree of sanity, and that we can get rid of the second-class citizenship currently accorded to same-sex partners.

I&#039;m just sick about how the LDS Church rigged the Prop. 8 vote, especially since they&#039;ve been a persecuted group in the past.  I don&#039;t understand how they can deliberately oppress someone else when they&#039;ve experienced the same level of government intervention in their relationships.

*sigh*

Here&#039;s hoping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard about the Proposition 8 results when I was in the bosom of my chosen family, celebrating the presidential election.  It hurts so much to know that my beloved girlfriend couldn&#8217;t marry me if she wanted to (aside from the fact that we&#8217;re both, er, married to other people &#8212; long story there, but it&#8217;s a wonderful and warm and complex story.)  </p>
<p>The idea of drowning their hate in the power of real, true, and enduring love very much resonates with me.  Here&#8217;s hoping that, in the next four years, we can bring the country back into some degree of sanity, and that we can get rid of the second-class citizenship currently accorded to same-sex partners.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just sick about how the LDS Church rigged the Prop. 8 vote, especially since they&#8217;ve been a persecuted group in the past.  I don&#8217;t understand how they can deliberately oppress someone else when they&#8217;ve experienced the same level of government intervention in their relationships.</p>
<p>*sigh*</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping.</p>
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		<title>By: Skerror</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skerror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Petition that shit!

http://www.petitiononline.com/seg5130/petition-sign.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Petition that shit!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/seg5130/petition-sign.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.petitiononline.com/seg5130/petition-sign.html</a></p>
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