!!!!boring!!!

In both margins.

Also I always wondered if human Kanye West fans call each other ‘dawg’, what do canine Kanye West fans call each other?

As for your chalenge…;)
…just to name a few designers I consider mainstream, but more avantgarde…or interesting…
Bora Aksu (especially his older collections)
Junya Watanabe
Antonio Berardi (altough I think his latest is kinda questionable, but if you check this collection http://www.fashionwindows.com/beauty/antonio_berardi/F041.asp, I think its pretty extraordinary)

of if you want to get even more typical…Westwood, McQueen the usuals with an interesting cuts, choices of fabrics and ideas. :)

I like it.

(Yeah, I know Dove is owned by Unilever, the same company that owns Axe, but this is an extremely powerful little video montage nevertheless.)

So I think that when people make statements like “fat people don’t belong on the runway,” they’re not trying. I think that if you have any any interest in truly seeing the world in a way that’s more primal and less saddled with “learned” baggage, you have to go there. You have to try – you owe it to yourself. Not for the sake of “being PC,” but to truly flex your mental muscles and deprogram yourself. Gaultier went there. Erwin Olaf went there, in a way that I thought was extremely sincere. And, of course, artists like Rubens went there effortlessly centuries ago, before the advent of the beauty industry as we know it. So – why not go there? What do you have to lose?

True but that does seem to be the norm. I’ve never looked to fashion for reality so the state of ANY model has to be taken with a grain of salt. They serve a specific purpose and in the case of print ads are heavily manipulated anyhow. It’s fantasy more than it is reality…

As far as the picture. Maybe. In the age of so many make up effects I don’t know what to believe.

What I’ve more of an issue when people use this a measuring stick against themselves. As far as obesity goes…are we talking 500lbs shut in or someone with a few extra pounds? By traditional standards and tests…who isn’t obese? While it HAS been proven many are obese beyond those traditional tests and are unhealthy for a wide range of reasons…there is a danger in going too far with “healthy imagery.” Regardless of what one does, eats, or wears certain body types remain…and while you and most here know the difference between curvy and obese…fashion doesn’t really seem to care about that difference. At all. At least not to the level we’re taking about here.

Ready to Wear collections and labels seem far more accepting if nowhere near as experimental as the designers mentioned above.

And for the record…I could TOTALLY take that guy…I may not look it but I’m wiry and know many deadly martial arts moves thanks to hours upon hours of japanese anime.

Ultimately I still prefer my Noir heroes of yore with their paranoia. heavy drinking, smoking, and taste for dangerous women. That’s healthy living to me and those outfits would be great updates to the standard suit and raincoat.

Plus thanks to hundreds of WWII documentaries the chiseled, clean cut, pale, and somewhat stylized European male look causes me to twitch uncomfortably. ;)