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		<title>By: kc</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2009/04/feed-their-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-17128</link>
		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Revisiting this thread to see what&#039;s been said since I last saw it and just wanted to say to Julia that my ADD reference was not meant to imply stupidity or intellectual shortcomings of any sort - it was a literal reference to the very short attention spans that seem to be all too common lately. 

The fact that people are using ADD as a general term for stupid and lazy is itself another perfect example of deterioration of intellect. ADD has no clinical stupid or laziness factor, so shouldn&#039;t be associated with those in any way. 

I definitely know that ADD (the clinical diagnosis) isn&#039;t caused by TV or internet use and that most people diagnosed with ADD are extremely gifted in many ways. 

With that said - I should probably have just said &#039;short attention spans&#039; rather than using the ADD term. Lesson learned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Revisiting this thread to see what&#8217;s been said since I last saw it and just wanted to say to Julia that my ADD reference was not meant to imply stupidity or intellectual shortcomings of any sort &#8211; it was a literal reference to the very short attention spans that seem to be all too common lately. </p>
<p>The fact that people are using ADD as a general term for stupid and lazy is itself another perfect example of deterioration of intellect. ADD has no clinical stupid or laziness factor, so shouldn&#8217;t be associated with those in any way. </p>
<p>I definitely know that ADD (the clinical diagnosis) isn&#8217;t caused by TV or internet use and that most people diagnosed with ADD are extremely gifted in many ways. </p>
<p>With that said &#8211; I should probably have just said &#8216;short attention spans&#8217; rather than using the ADD term. Lesson learned.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivacious G</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2009/04/feed-their-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-15146</link>
		<dc:creator>Vivacious G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, no cable for a few years here either...and what Mr. Morrow said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, no cable for a few years here either&#8230;and what Mr. Morrow said.</p>
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		<title>By: sascha</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2009/04/feed-their-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-15126</link>
		<dc:creator>sascha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re absolutely right on, Zoe. I was younger during MTV&#039;s golden age, but I remember sneak watching Liquid television late at night and falling in love with Aeon Flux. I feel robbed that by the time I was of age, all we had (in the late 90&#039;s) was the beginning of reality tv- The Real World and Road Rules. WTF? No more stimulation for sure. 
Let&#039;s not forget the short lived My So Called Life. I watch it now and laugh but it is still relevant and thought provoking for the age group it was intended. It still teetered on the edge and gave kids a welcome alternative from Saved by the Bell.
And who didn&#039;t love Daria and Jane? I still want to be Jane one year for halloween, but sadly, most people wouldn&#039;t recognize it!

There was a glimmer of hope a few years ago with MTV2, with fresh headbanger&#039;s ball and everything, but guess what? They never showed the quality metal that was out there. You had to watch an entire 2 hours to catch one Mastadon or Dillinger Escape Plan video. Fuck that. 

I&#039;ve resolved myself to tivo&#039;ing (is it a verb now?) 120 minutes reruns on VHI classic. It&#039;s a strange juxtaposition to be able to fast forward through the program!

Keep hope that the kids will be ok, but I&#039;m not so sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right on, Zoe. I was younger during MTV&#8217;s golden age, but I remember sneak watching Liquid television late at night and falling in love with Aeon Flux. I feel robbed that by the time I was of age, all we had (in the late 90&#8242;s) was the beginning of reality tv- The Real World and Road Rules. WTF? No more stimulation for sure.<br />
Let&#8217;s not forget the short lived My So Called Life. I watch it now and laugh but it is still relevant and thought provoking for the age group it was intended. It still teetered on the edge and gave kids a welcome alternative from Saved by the Bell.<br />
And who didn&#8217;t love Daria and Jane? I still want to be Jane one year for halloween, but sadly, most people wouldn&#8217;t recognize it!</p>
<p>There was a glimmer of hope a few years ago with MTV2, with fresh headbanger&#8217;s ball and everything, but guess what? They never showed the quality metal that was out there. You had to watch an entire 2 hours to catch one Mastadon or Dillinger Escape Plan video. Fuck that. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve resolved myself to tivo&#8217;ing (is it a verb now?) 120 minutes reruns on VHI classic. It&#8217;s a strange juxtaposition to be able to fast forward through the program!</p>
<p>Keep hope that the kids will be ok, but I&#8217;m not so sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Kale Kip</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2009/04/feed-their-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-15125</link>
		<dc:creator>Kale Kip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon! That is so true about the news. Actually I studied journalism (in Belgium) and I was constantly told to adjust my TV-reporting to the intelligence level of a not-exceptionally-bright 10-year old. &quot;Oh, and if you don&#039;t know what to do, just go to a mall and ask random idiots what they think about the subject. Make sure you cut the occasional intelligent person out though.&quot; They call it a &quot;vox pop&quot;.

I once met Rudi Vranckx (for the non-Belgians: that is probably the last reporter making intelligent TV in Flanders). When I asked him how he could get away with making non-stupid news items, he told me that it was because he is reporting from Iraq and Somalia and there&#039;s just no malls to do stupid vox pops.

(P.S. BBC world service radio is available all over the globe and it is pretty good.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon! That is so true about the news. Actually I studied journalism (in Belgium) and I was constantly told to adjust my TV-reporting to the intelligence level of a not-exceptionally-bright 10-year old. &#8220;Oh, and if you don&#8217;t know what to do, just go to a mall and ask random idiots what they think about the subject. Make sure you cut the occasional intelligent person out though.&#8221; They call it a &#8220;vox pop&#8221;.</p>
<p>I once met Rudi Vranckx (for the non-Belgians: that is probably the last reporter making intelligent TV in Flanders). When I asked him how he could get away with making non-stupid news items, he told me that it was because he is reporting from Iraq and Somalia and there&#8217;s just no malls to do stupid vox pops.</p>
<p>(P.S. BBC world service radio is available all over the globe and it is pretty good.)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 07:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tequila, good point about adventurous work building cache/credibility.  I hadn&#039;t considered that one, but I think you&#039;re right that it must play a role in the decision to do experimental pieces.

And thanks for posting that DLC trailer for Mirror&#039;s Edge.  I would play that game on its own!  Which says something, given that I rarely play games any more.  Especially Fallout 3, which kept crashing.  A shame, cuz I was digging it.  Maybe I&#039;ll try to make it work again someday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tequila, good point about adventurous work building cache/credibility.  I hadn&#8217;t considered that one, but I think you&#8217;re right that it must play a role in the decision to do experimental pieces.</p>
<p>And thanks for posting that DLC trailer for Mirror&#8217;s Edge.  I would play that game on its own!  Which says something, given that I rarely play games any more.  Especially Fallout 3, which kept crashing.  A shame, cuz I was digging it.  Maybe I&#8217;ll try to make it work again someday.</p>
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		<title>By: rickie</title>
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		<dc:creator>rickie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 07:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for posting, zoe! i do remember this commercial on mtv when i was a kid, thinking it was very artsy and cool. that is what i liked about mtv... well, that and aeon flux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for posting, zoe! i do remember this commercial on mtv when i was a kid, thinking it was very artsy and cool. that is what i liked about mtv&#8230; well, that and aeon flux.</p>
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		<title>By: Tequila</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2009/04/feed-their-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-15122</link>
		<dc:creator>Tequila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 06:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris L

&quot;Mirror&#039;s Edge&quot; is good example of experimental content from a major entertainment company. Be it a Hollywood studio or book publisher they all take a gamble on highly experimental work and ideas from time to time.

It&#039;s never a simple reason as to why though. Sometimes it has nothing to do with financial success but to earn a certain credibility and cache that will open certain doors. Hollywood does that with its prestige and art house pictures every year.

EA is the closest the gaming industry has to a Hollywood like studio next to Ubisoft and the King Kong behemoth that is Blizzard (or Activision Blizzard technically.) To its credit EA did push a lot of boundaries in their usual fare with Mirror&#039;s Edge. It had a style, gameplay mechanic, and design not common with their usual projects. Unfortunately the game itself fell flat with most gamers due to it&#039;s design choices in terms of gameplay. It had some pretty key flaws that are hard to ignore. Still it may see more success when the title hits $30 and under. Oddly it&#039;s bonus content looks far more interesting than the main game itself. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo2NAQ7-DFc

Like anything creative sometimes it just takes time to really reach its full potential. Hopefully EA&#039;s love of sequels pushes the next game closer to the trailer above.

I&#039;ll spare the CH readers an extended list of games that push the boundaries of art, gameplay, and design...but it should be noted that of ALL the major forms of modern entertainment...NOTHING comes anywhere near what modern gaming is approaching in terms of merging so many technical and artistic genres together. Animation is probably the closest but unlike gaming you&#039;re not an active participant...and that&#039;s its real power. That&#039;s something TV has tried many times in the past to achieve...if a bit gimmicky at times (The first person M*A*S*H episode being a prime example...something strangely Orson Welles wanted to do with his adaptation of Heart of Darkness...thankfully he did Citizen Kane instead. If I remember right Quentin Tarantino ended up doing this with the ER episode he directed also. )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris L</p>
<p>&#8220;Mirror&#8217;s Edge&#8221; is good example of experimental content from a major entertainment company. Be it a Hollywood studio or book publisher they all take a gamble on highly experimental work and ideas from time to time.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s never a simple reason as to why though. Sometimes it has nothing to do with financial success but to earn a certain credibility and cache that will open certain doors. Hollywood does that with its prestige and art house pictures every year.</p>
<p>EA is the closest the gaming industry has to a Hollywood like studio next to Ubisoft and the King Kong behemoth that is Blizzard (or Activision Blizzard technically.) To its credit EA did push a lot of boundaries in their usual fare with Mirror&#8217;s Edge. It had a style, gameplay mechanic, and design not common with their usual projects. Unfortunately the game itself fell flat with most gamers due to it&#8217;s design choices in terms of gameplay. It had some pretty key flaws that are hard to ignore. Still it may see more success when the title hits $30 and under. Oddly it&#8217;s bonus content looks far more interesting than the main game itself. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo2NAQ7-DFc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo2NAQ7-DFc</a></p>
<p>Like anything creative sometimes it just takes time to really reach its full potential. Hopefully EA&#8217;s love of sequels pushes the next game closer to the trailer above.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll spare the CH readers an extended list of games that push the boundaries of art, gameplay, and design&#8230;but it should be noted that of ALL the major forms of modern entertainment&#8230;NOTHING comes anywhere near what modern gaming is approaching in terms of merging so many technical and artistic genres together. Animation is probably the closest but unlike gaming you&#8217;re not an active participant&#8230;and that&#8217;s its real power. That&#8217;s something TV has tried many times in the past to achieve&#8230;if a bit gimmicky at times (The first person M*A*S*H episode being a prime example&#8230;something strangely Orson Welles wanted to do with his adaptation of Heart of Darkness&#8230;thankfully he did Citizen Kane instead. If I remember right Quentin Tarantino ended up doing this with the ER episode he directed also. )</p>
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		<title>By: Chris L</title>
		<link>http://coilhouse.net/2009/04/feed-their-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-15121</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 04:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, everyone here is very smart and has said some very smart things.  Hopefully I can keep up.

It is very much a situation of self-perpetuating cycles that Alana Ash and Tequila pointed out very eloquently.  The thing is that as much as many people crave for genuine intellectual content, challenging stuff just doesn&#039;t bring in the cash.  Reality TV has such low overhead that even if its overall ratings are lower than a show like BSG or Lost or whatever (which isn&#039;t always the case - see American Idol), the profit margin has gotta be a lot higher.  It also seems likely that TV execs and producers don&#039;t get to where they are by hemorrhaging money.

A vaguely related case-in-point in video games is that EA game &quot;Mirror&#039;s Edge&quot; that came out recently.  I haven&#039;t played it - but my understanding is that it&#039;s got a lot of pretty interesting ideas, and borders on experimental at times.  It&#039;s a game made with creatives playing a bigger role.  Except... that it didn&#039;t do as well as EA&#039;s other tripey garbage, so that kind of game probably won&#039;t be made again - or not without a fight.  (I should add, though, that apparently its gameplay is kinda mediocre, so it may just be a situation of form without substance.. or.. substance without form.. or something.)

Smart and challenging content has, sadly, a niche audience.  I think it&#039;s one that Coilhouse reaches very well - but as a rule it&#039;s hard to do.  It&#039;s gotta be harder to make good smart content than sellable insipid stuff.  (Though that may be wrong - it must be a challenge for smart people to slog through making a piece of trash that&#039;s watered-down just enough to sell well.)

Also: that Dance Theatre piece at the end was rad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, everyone here is very smart and has said some very smart things.  Hopefully I can keep up.</p>
<p>It is very much a situation of self-perpetuating cycles that Alana Ash and Tequila pointed out very eloquently.  The thing is that as much as many people crave for genuine intellectual content, challenging stuff just doesn&#8217;t bring in the cash.  Reality TV has such low overhead that even if its overall ratings are lower than a show like BSG or Lost or whatever (which isn&#8217;t always the case &#8211; see American Idol), the profit margin has gotta be a lot higher.  It also seems likely that TV execs and producers don&#8217;t get to where they are by hemorrhaging money.</p>
<p>A vaguely related case-in-point in video games is that EA game &#8220;Mirror&#8217;s Edge&#8221; that came out recently.  I haven&#8217;t played it &#8211; but my understanding is that it&#8217;s got a lot of pretty interesting ideas, and borders on experimental at times.  It&#8217;s a game made with creatives playing a bigger role.  Except&#8230; that it didn&#8217;t do as well as EA&#8217;s other tripey garbage, so that kind of game probably won&#8217;t be made again &#8211; or not without a fight.  (I should add, though, that apparently its gameplay is kinda mediocre, so it may just be a situation of form without substance.. or.. substance without form.. or something.)</p>
<p>Smart and challenging content has, sadly, a niche audience.  I think it&#8217;s one that Coilhouse reaches very well &#8211; but as a rule it&#8217;s hard to do.  It&#8217;s gotta be harder to make good smart content than sellable insipid stuff.  (Though that may be wrong &#8211; it must be a challenge for smart people to slog through making a piece of trash that&#8217;s watered-down just enough to sell well.)</p>
<p>Also: that Dance Theatre piece at the end was rad.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoetica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome, Julia! Can I just take a moment out of the excellent discussion happening here and say how much I love our readers? GROUP HUG, C&#039;MERE AND LET MAMA ZO TOUCH YOUR SQUISHY FACES.

As you were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, Julia! Can I just take a moment out of the excellent discussion happening here and say how much I love our readers? GROUP HUG, C&#8217;MERE AND LET MAMA ZO TOUCH YOUR SQUISHY FACES.</p>
<p>As you were.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Navigatrix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia Navigatrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kc:  I agree with your point, and I&#039;m sorry if this comes across as obnoxious or hypersensitive, but as someone who actually has AD(H)D, I find your use of &quot;ADD&quot; to denote stupidity or intellectual laziness kind of offensive. It&#039;s a widespread pejorative use, and until recently I just ignored it (&quot;oh, they don&#039;t mean ADD as in the actual condition, they just mean ADD as in *stupid and lazy*...) and even occasionally used it myself. But I&#039;ve been thinking about the implications of using that acronym in that way, lately, and I&#039;ve come to the conclusion that it&#039;s just as bad as using &quot;gay&quot; or &quot;retarded&quot; as general insults. 

Also, obligatory quill-bristling, many people with ADD/ADHD are very bright, and ADD probably isn&#039;t caused by too much TV and/or internet surfing (any more than, say, clinical depression is caused by listening to too much sad music). 


...So, this is maybe not the best subject material for my First Comment Ever at Coilhouse, if I want to make a good impression (and I do). 

Abruptly changing the subject, I&#039;m  too young to remember the heyday of MTV and don&#039;t watch the channel now, but I like the Kafka ad a lot and I can attest to the fact that you wouldn&#039;t ever see a television spot that highbrow now. Sad. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kc:  I agree with your point, and I&#8217;m sorry if this comes across as obnoxious or hypersensitive, but as someone who actually has AD(H)D, I find your use of &#8220;ADD&#8221; to denote stupidity or intellectual laziness kind of offensive. It&#8217;s a widespread pejorative use, and until recently I just ignored it (&#8220;oh, they don&#8217;t mean ADD as in the actual condition, they just mean ADD as in *stupid and lazy*&#8230;) and even occasionally used it myself. But I&#8217;ve been thinking about the implications of using that acronym in that way, lately, and I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that it&#8217;s just as bad as using &#8220;gay&#8221; or &#8220;retarded&#8221; as general insults. </p>
<p>Also, obligatory quill-bristling, many people with ADD/ADHD are very bright, and ADD probably isn&#8217;t caused by too much TV and/or internet surfing (any more than, say, clinical depression is caused by listening to too much sad music). </p>
<p>&#8230;So, this is maybe not the best subject material for my First Comment Ever at Coilhouse, if I want to make a good impression (and I do). </p>
<p>Abruptly changing the subject, I&#8217;m  too young to remember the heyday of MTV and don&#8217;t watch the channel now, but I like the Kafka ad a lot and I can attest to the fact that you wouldn&#8217;t ever see a television spot that highbrow now. Sad. :(</p>
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