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		<title>By: Jens Alfke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jens Alfke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 22:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Foreshadowing cyberpunk by decades, Bester seamlessly blended high-tech and low culture.&quot;

There is in fact a direct line from this book to cyberpunk. Samuel Delany has said that when he started writing one of this goals was to create that same sense of wonder that Bester&#039;s novels had inspired in him; and William Gibson similarly avowed the influence of Delany&#039;s great &#039;60s SF writing. QED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Foreshadowing cyberpunk by decades, Bester seamlessly blended high-tech and low culture.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is in fact a direct line from this book to cyberpunk. Samuel Delany has said that when he started writing one of this goals was to create that same sense of wonder that Bester&#8217;s novels had inspired in him; and William Gibson similarly avowed the influence of Delany&#8217;s great &#8217;60s SF writing. QED.</p>
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		<title>By: miss morgan potts</title>
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		<dc:creator>miss morgan potts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way you described the murderer-detective focus of the plot line reminds me of Dostoyevsky&#039;s Crime and Punishment; I immensely enjoyed the latter, so I&#039;ll surely read the former at the first chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way you described the murderer-detective focus of the plot line reminds me of Dostoyevsky&#8217;s Crime and Punishment; I immensely enjoyed the latter, so I&#8217;ll surely read the former at the first chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this book when I was a kid and it made an enormously powerful impression on me.  It was one of the most formative books of my life.  The Demolished Man is not only a great sci-fi novel but a great novel, by any standard.  Bester had tremendous range and power as a writer.  There will never be another like him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this book when I was a kid and it made an enormously powerful impression on me.  It was one of the most formative books of my life.  The Demolished Man is not only a great sci-fi novel but a great novel, by any standard.  Bester had tremendous range and power as a writer.  There will never be another like him.</p>
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		<title>By: Shay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece David, thanks. Never read The Demolished Man but I &lt;3 Tiger, Tiger. Definitely putting it up on my to-read list :)

Regarding your question, I used to say &quot;everybody is normal until you meet them.&quot;

This came up recently as I was discussing with someone the new edition of the DSM coming out soonish. &quot;Normalcy&quot; is a mongrel concept and has suffered greatly from being reduced by clinical psychologists (and society as a whole) from a &lt;em&gt;normative&lt;/em&gt; question to a &lt;em&gt;statistical&lt;/em&gt; one. This is deeply problematic and begs the question of whether the concept has any merit in it at all. 
A lot of behavior today deemed &quot;normal&quot; was once considered outlandish (and certainly the opposite is true as well). If normalcy is simply a statistical question, then it is a capricious concept, and therefore cannot be a standard. 

With no standard, who is to say what is a &quot;quirk&quot; or mental illness and what isn&#039;t?

I can see Michel Foucault and Humpty Dumpty agreeing: &quot;The question is, which is to be master -- that&#039;s all.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece David, thanks. Never read The Demolished Man but I &lt;3 Tiger, Tiger. Definitely putting it up on my to-read list :)</p>
<p>Regarding your question, I used to say &quot;everybody is normal until you meet them.&quot;</p>
<p>This came up recently as I was discussing with someone the new edition of the DSM coming out soonish. &quot;Normalcy&quot; is a mongrel concept and has suffered greatly from being reduced by clinical psychologists (and society as a whole) from a <em>normative</em> question to a <em>statistical</em> one. This is deeply problematic and begs the question of whether the concept has any merit in it at all.<br />
A lot of behavior today deemed &#8220;normal&#8221; was once considered outlandish (and certainly the opposite is true as well). If normalcy is simply a statistical question, then it is a capricious concept, and therefore cannot be a standard. </p>
<p>With no standard, who is to say what is a &#8220;quirk&#8221; or mental illness and what isn&#8217;t?</p>
<p>I can see Michel Foucault and Humpty Dumpty agreeing: &#8220;The question is, which is to be master &#8212; that&#8217;s all.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nadya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 01:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I LOVE ALFRED BESTER!!!!

I was waiting for the day you&#039;d cover him for All Tomorrows... and I&#039;m delighted that day has finally come!

I have to say, I read &lt;em&gt;The Demolished Man&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Stars My Destination&lt;/em&gt; at the same time, one right after another. Although I remember enjoying &lt;em&gt;The Demolished Man&lt;/em&gt; tremendously, and I remember the general theme of it being a sci-fi noir with telepathy, I don&#039;t really remember much besides. &lt;em&gt;Stars My Destination&lt;/em&gt;, on the other hand, had a profound effect on me. To me, it is THE proto-cyberpunk novel. I loved Gully Foyle and his quest for revenge. I remember jaunting. And... oh my god... The Scientific People! &quot;Quant Suff! Most scientific!&quot; One of my favorite scenes of any sci-fi novel, EVER.

So I guess I should re-read &lt;em&gt;The Demolished Man&lt;/em&gt; so that I can stay on-track with the discussion. Just wanted to share my enthusiasm for Alfred Bester in general. As far as your question goes, I&#039;m not sure. Most people avoid/cut off people with obvious mental quirks, but the truth is, I think everyone is batshit insane in their own special way. Sometimes, it takes more time to figure out, sometimes it&#039;s obvious from the get-go. So maybe we should all be more open-minded towards each other. The worst that could happen if you listened to &quot;crazy&quot; people more is that you&#039;d waste some time - the best thing that could happen is that you could learn something new, hear some interesting story, make them feel like someone is listening. In LA, I had a strict policy of not engaging anyone &quot;crazy&quot; that started talking to me... no eye contact, no response of any sort, etc -  but here in San Francisco, I&#039;m in a more indulgent mood. The other day, I had a 20-minute conversation with a really strange man sitting next to me at a coffeeshop about heremetic rituals, geomancy, alchemy, etc. And why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I LOVE ALFRED BESTER!!!!</p>
<p>I was waiting for the day you&#8217;d cover him for All Tomorrows&#8230; and I&#8217;m delighted that day has finally come!</p>
<p>I have to say, I read <em>The Demolished Man</em> and <em>Stars My Destination</em> at the same time, one right after another. Although I remember enjoying <em>The Demolished Man</em> tremendously, and I remember the general theme of it being a sci-fi noir with telepathy, I don&#8217;t really remember much besides. <em>Stars My Destination</em>, on the other hand, had a profound effect on me. To me, it is THE proto-cyberpunk novel. I loved Gully Foyle and his quest for revenge. I remember jaunting. And&#8230; oh my god&#8230; The Scientific People! &#8220;Quant Suff! Most scientific!&#8221; One of my favorite scenes of any sci-fi novel, EVER.</p>
<p>So I guess I should re-read <em>The Demolished Man</em> so that I can stay on-track with the discussion. Just wanted to share my enthusiasm for Alfred Bester in general. As far as your question goes, I&#8217;m not sure. Most people avoid/cut off people with obvious mental quirks, but the truth is, I think everyone is batshit insane in their own special way. Sometimes, it takes more time to figure out, sometimes it&#8217;s obvious from the get-go. So maybe we should all be more open-minded towards each other. The worst that could happen if you listened to &#8220;crazy&#8221; people more is that you&#8217;d waste some time &#8211; the best thing that could happen is that you could learn something new, hear some interesting story, make them feel like someone is listening. In LA, I had a strict policy of not engaging anyone &#8220;crazy&#8221; that started talking to me&#8230; no eye contact, no response of any sort, etc &#8211;  but here in San Francisco, I&#8217;m in a more indulgent mood. The other day, I had a 20-minute conversation with a really strange man sitting next to me at a coffeeshop about heremetic rituals, geomancy, alchemy, etc. And why not?</p>
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